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Stalling. if you ever had young kids and try to put them to bed, they stall, they will grasp at any excuse to put off what's coming inevitably. that's what rudy is doing here. he's imposing this artificial september 1 deadline which he's in no position to impose. at the same time he's setting this deadline he's trying to run out the clock. there's a political motive. he wants to blame mueller if this carries on, and it should carry on through the midterms. >> you're saying that rudy partially wants to say well, however long this is, you can always have a holdout juror, a mistrial, a new trial,...

Violations of criminal law are the things that he's charged with, among others is acting as a foreign, unregistered foreign agent, by the way. so, you know, we're not going to see the full story necessarily in the criminal trials. what we want to look at i think are some of the indictment thats mueller is bringing against the russians which will lay out some of the background of what was going on and where we can connect those dots remains to be seen. >> my understanding is some of these five witnesses actually have to do of testimony that did take place during the campaign where manafort did ...

Cobb to say all have been interviewed. where are we going. are we going to wrap it up with hello no proof of collusion sufficient to warrant finding that criminal law lahas law has violated. >> the scope of the investigation goes beyond collusion but i'm glad you said about deep state. that's what everybody is talking about. >> the question is were crimes committed, that's mueller's only focus where the investigation is going. >> got to go. thank you all appreciate it. we'll be right back. -whoa, he looks -- -he looks exactly like me. -no. -separated at birth much? we should switch name tags, ...