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With respect to the other witnesses, the boltons, the mulvaneys, the pompeos, it will take 51 senators to vote in favor of calling those witnesses. i think there is a chance that 51 senators will have an interest in not having this process be completely illegitimate, so we may see them vote in favor of calling, for example, a john bolton. and bolton could be an extraordinarily damaging witness. i agree with katie. because think about it, he's the one who saw in real-time what was going on with mulvaney, sondland, and the others. he characterized it as illegal conduct by labelling it a drug dea...

Committee hearing. >> i think it would be to the president's advantage to have his attorneys there. that is his right. but i can also understand how he is upset at the illegitimate process that we saw unfold in the intelligence committee. >> so you think they should bring in lawyers? >> i think it's to his advantage, yes. >> the reason i showed that is tom mcclintock is one of those formerly reasonable conservative republican members of congress. you can get to a point in this discussion with him where he has to admit, yes, there's something a little strange about not defending yourself. >> of...

A little strange about not defending yourself. >> of course. there's something more than a little strange. there's something completely unprecedented as you pointed out earlier. and in some sense, it's strange and not strange. not strange in the sense that, if there was a case to be made on the facts, not only would the lawyers be present but these other witnesses we were just discussing, the boltons, mulvaneys, pompeos of world will be coming forward, the president would free all the fact witnesses to come forward if they had facts that would help exculpate him. he does not. on some sense it'...

Would escalate tensions in the region but also our withdrawal from the jcpoa -- >> the nuclear deal with iran? >> exactly. it's driving us apart from our allies but also to increase iranian leverage to try to bring about an end to sanctions. >> i think an escalation of the war would be a big mistake. this all comes from the yemeni civil war where saudi arabia's heavily involved in another country indiscriminately bombing civilians, killing children and then the houthis are supported by the iranians. it's back and forth. the answer is to have a negotiated cease fire and peace in yemen. bombing ...

>> i think an escalation of the war would be a big mistake. this all comes from the yemeni civil war where saudi arabia, involved in bombing civilians and it's back and forth. the answer is to try to have a negotiated cease-fire and peace in yemen and bombing iran wouldn't do that. iran's military spending is about $17 billion. saudi arabia spends about 83 billion dollars. t really the saudis and their allies dwarf the spending of iran and this is a regional conflict that there's no reason the super power of the united states needs to be getting into bombing mainland iran. it would be a needle...