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Happens in the next 24 hours, and if somehow he walks it back, which would not be surprising. what we see there with mike pence is important, though, because he at least is recognizing the truth, and i should highlight though, he knew there was no other alternative for it, but for him to certify the election. after he spoke to everybody else to make sure he could, that was his only option, so it was not, you know, profile in courage by any measure. >> and i feel like that's a really good point. he's like, i had no choice but to certify, but it's not like he didn't check to see if there were ot...

To provide important insight to the american public. >> one of the things that is really disturbing to me is that the way in which he utilized all of the levers of federal government power, you know, calling the nsa, calling dhs, you know, senators are having meetings to figure out how to subvert democracy. is that unamerican? i mean mike pence used that word today, i thought that that was a significant word choice. is it unamerican to do all of that after the american people had decided they do not want donald trump to be the president any longer? >> to the extent that america stands today as...

Before him. or introduce malcolm x but not what he had to say in a speech but puts educators in an uncomfortable situation of making a choice of a white washed version of our nation's messy history or losing their jobs. joining me now to discuss is the director of public policy, and one of the things i think about, how teachers navigate a world in which there is this anti-critical race theory laws but american history happened and existed and it didn't change, so how do you navigate this world where banning the accurate teaching of our own history? >> you know, i have a friend dr. robert harve...

I'm zerlina. find me monday through friday at 6:00 p.m. eastern on peacock, on "the choice" from msnbc. follow us on facebook, twitter, tiktok and youtube. more news is coming up right here on msnbc. breaking on msnbc, vice president kamala harris taking to the world stage just moments ago with a clear message for russian president vladimir putin, as the situation deteriorates on the ukrainian border. >> and today, we are even more confident in our vision. our strength must not be underestimated. >> her speech comes a day after president biden says he's convinced putin will invade ukraine, a...

Presidential historian michael beschloss, the host of "fireside history "on msnbc's "the choice" and julia, founding partner and washington correspondent for puck news. thank you both for being here. michael, i'll start with you. there is this sense that putin thinks he's rewriting history but he doesn't seem to understand it very well. because the kind of aggression that he's putting forward, i guess he thinks he's the hero in the movie. he's literally every single villain from world war ii forward. he's mess moorized and the republics, these countries as a union it was then called to try to ...