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>> right. >> the original position was nobody did nothing. then it turned out that a lot of people did a lot of things. then it was, nobody colluded. where is the collusion? show us the collusion. >> then it was not the president. >> manafort passes the duck test for collusion. remember, collusion isn't a crime. and that isn't moving a goal post. well, if it's not a felony, it doesn't count, don. that's an argument for the attorney to make because it's a political contest and they're trying to lower the bar, but it's pretty obvious. >> i think the collusion is not a crime thing, when you say, ...

The work. >> that's totally ridiculous! when somebody -- >> because you don't like it? >> that's totally ridiculous! when somebody says, "i hate that person," as a prosecutor, i'm not putting him in charge of that investigation. that is sick. >> i hear you. >> that is a sick, totally biased statement! you tell me you would like to be investigated by someone who hates you? >> i wouldn't want to be investigated by anybody and it was the right move to remove them. >> do you think it's fair to have somebody investigating the president of the united states who has expressed opinions hating him? onl...

Collusion between the campaign and the russians. the truth? how do you explain the manafort allegations as anything but collusion? tonight, an exclusive one on one with president trump's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani. and the other big story, the shutdown, getting bloodier by the day. more pain for people who don't deserve to be in the middle, more signs we'll all feel the pain of the economy. and now the president is feeling it, too. the speaker of the house pushes the president to postpone the state of the union. valid security concerns or political power play by nancy pelosi. that's our ...

T >> the justice department doesn't do ethics investigation. >> a special counsel can, it can be part of their mandate and you know that. >> they're doing a criminal investigation. and leading to impeachment has to be a high crime or misdemeanor. >> that's true. >> not an unethical violation. >> that is a political standard. >> they have gotten so beyond his scope, it's absurd. >> how has he gone beyond his scope? >> how has he gone beyond his scope? >> yeah. >> at least four degrees of separation. it begins with collusion, goes to a completely phony obstruction investigation -- >> how is it p...

Speech. >> fine. be that as it may, there are two coincidences to answer for. the first is manafort is viable for the campaign at the time that's going on. and then he's viable at the head of the campaign giving polling data that winds up having the same faces and places targeted by the campaign that are targeted by russian trolls. how is that no collusion? >> it's not collusion. >> how is it not? >> because polling data is given to everybody. >> what? >> i mean, he shouldn't have given it to them. >> so it's not given to everybody. >> and i can't speak for paul manafort. of course it is! firs...