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And not leaving. >> well, that's what he promised. we'll see if he can deliver. so far he has delivered with that carrier plant in indiana. we'll get the details coming in. congressman marsha blackburn of tennessee. thanks very much for joining us. >> good to be with you. let's talk a little bit more about this. our chief political correspondent dana bash. our politics executive editor mark preston is with us. cnn politics reporter eugene scott is with us as well. dana, the devil's in the details. possibly $7 million in tax credits if you will for carrier over the next ten years promised by ...

That he was going to hand over the management of the trump organization to his children. but that doesn't change his ownership or the fact that his name is emblazoned on all of these hotels and resorts. i think that, really, the devil's in the details. it was very interesting to see the normally stayed office of governmental ethics sort of overtaken by a strange tweet storm yesterday, suggesting that he needed to divest himself of all of his holdings, which i think we're very unlikely to see. >> so seems to me we're kind of headed on a collision course right here, where basically every ethics ...

>> the devil's in the details. it depends on what he says and how he says it. i don't even know there needs to be a speech. it's not a bad idea. but i do think that, you know, what is it barack obama said "don't tell me words don't matter." words matter, presidential rhetoric matters. going back to bill buckley, one of the most important missions of the conservative cause was policing the right. bill buckley wrorode out the ay randers. he saw how dangerous it was to associate racism and other fringe elements in with conservatism which i think is a good positive philosophy. so i think it's incu...

Into the -- >> if you're the leader of the democrats instead of nancy pelosi, where do you draw a contrast from what we're seeing with donald trump right now? >> well, the devil's in the details. i'd start with bannon and flynn and some of the appointments he's made. i'd say i'm not going to welcome them into my office. i'm not going to normalize this type of white supremacist behavior. i've been in congress 14 years now, i've been long enough to know the devil is in the details. we want to sit down and hear the proposals. a lot of this stuff before we can see and hear and read something on pa...

>> when you look at donald trump's address there, including his remarks on trade, do you see anything there you support? >> well, i do think we need to take a look at tpp and reevaluate it. i don't think we need to shut ourselves off from the world. we clearly have to be a player in the world, but i do think we need a new trade model. i understand that the trade models have been good in the aggregate, but it's wiping out towns in our country, and we need to take a new look at it, and i'm okay with that. but again, i don't want to get into the -- >> if you're the leader of the democrats instead...