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Unknown numbers of tapes because at that point we'll see which people in the white house feel comfortable saying you don't have that on tape because they don't know what she has so if the conversation has happened they'll have to let it go because it could be there. >> tara, as someone who was a contestant on "the apprentice," does the trump administration to your eyes look like "the apprentice" the television show, the dynamics, the personalities, everything? do you feel like you're daja vi daja view all over but bun in rell lame. deja vu. >> i think in terms of the white house "the apprentic...

Years. does he not understand that? or does he hope to change that system fundamentally? >> he is hope to up-end the dynamics. you've studied this, joe, as well. he delegitimatizes opponents and he is more relentless than any of his opponents and he will bully them until they relent and what we have seen for 40 years from donald john trump. >> kasie hunt, democrats are clearly setting up for a fight. elizabeth warren, looks like she is leading that battle right now and we are going to get to that late. you interviewed her. republicans also given this conversation. we are talking about the sanc...

November? >> are you kidding me? >> boehner talking about after he'd been pushed into a government shutdown he didn't want by conservatives trying to de-fund obamacare. saying we knew it was never going to work in the first place. >> right. >> in this instance, the winers saying, i don't want to do this. i'm actually sympathetic to them. i think immigration is absolutely a non-win issue for republicans in congress. there are so many issues on which republicans are unsalable to hispanic voters. and when you poll on economic issues and the whole gamut, it's not like republicans are going to win ...