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But he didn't have to think, what are the three agencies you want to get rid of? he knew them by heart because they were the ones he wanted to get rid of. but here was a guy who failed to know what he thought up himself. this is not not knowing the capital of venezuela. this is something where you gave the name of the capital of venezuela, the name, and he didn't know it. >> it's remarkable. i think they'll be playing this on the videotape 30 years from now. it's one of the most remarkable moments in the history of presidential debates. and i think it effectively ended his campaign last night....

Perspective to this, in your book about jfk and how he got ready for the 1960 debates, down to learning a week before the staging and the stagecraft. and don hewitt who produced those debates, the guy who later created "60 minutes," said kennedy cared a lot more about them and paid a lot more attention than nixon did. i think rick perry has been treating these debates as a dropby. if he hasn't been and he's prepared, then this is a really extraordinary performance. no republican rationally could say that somebody who was so unready in that debate is ready to take on obama. and no american coul...