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Actually deal with issues. remember, he's having a great time right now appointing people and humiliating people. he doesn't have any responsibilities yet. so, if kushner providing a force to help stabilize him, that will be good for the country. if trump wants these people as advisers, let him have them and let's see what happens. >> andrew, you write kushner is often the last person in the room with him. we know from your reporting and others often the last person in the room with donald trump is the person who gets their way. so, what kind of adviser are we talking about? where is he on the...

Where is he on the spectrum of -- steef bannon is a right wing, christian, nationalist, populist, whatever he is calling himself these days. where is jared kushner on the idealogical scale? >> bannon sort of comes at this as he has sort of a defined philosophy and he sees trump as a vehicle for achieving that philosophy. kushner comes from the opposite perspective. he's there to fulfill the desires of donald trump, his father-in-law. and so that leads him in the direction of supporting these populist kind of ideas. so i don't think he's really so much an idealog as he's there to just kind of s...