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Labels are for losers, right? >> it is a tremendous waste of money and creates a whole level of bureaucracy and i suspect it is one of those things that is actually there to make the people who are already making, quote, unquote, good food choices better about themselves than making people change their behavior. >> there it is. in 2008 i was back on this show arguing again it and you know who was arguing for the labeling? governor gary johnson. look it up. search tom shillue and governor gary johnson. >> i am grasping at straws, but it is a fairly non-- of all of the things big brother action ...

>> i'm so excited to see carly, what carly will bring tonight. she obviously ran here in california in 2010. she's an incredibly disciplined candidate. a lot of people see her as substanti substantive. she has an art of the zinger, the soft way she delivers it. you've seen the why she's gone after trump. >> the light touch, humor, she does that very well. >> class verse crass. >> yes, yes. >> the dynamic of having a woman on stage changes the way the candidates speak to one another. they'll be close to each other. i mean, it does put a different focus on it. think about so many people watched ...

I have never heard them using his singing against him. >> and by the way, they used it again and again and again. i could not take it. >> you remember the campaign, that's -- if you say the 2012 campaign, it is very likely you will get someone singing an off key version of "america the beautiful." >> the big problem we have and what the obama campaign tried to use to their advantage is mitt romney is not somebody you can identify with. what the heart of that ad was nobody watching that ad has, you know, accounts in the caymans. it seemed something to them they could not identify with. it made ...

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