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Body of reporting on all the happenings at sdny. there was a not at all veiled insinuation yesterday from jeff berman who is a don mcgahn ally, trump appointee, runs that office. he made perfectly clear the investigation was ongoing. and i think both of the gentlemen that spoke yesterday had comments that didn't necessarily relate to the indictments but spoke out about foreign interference. >> absolutely. and with these two associates of rudy had done and we've reported today surpr to have no real job right? no business that's operational. and yet they somehow manage to republican candidates a...

In ukraine. are they? >> um, no. i think that what volker's testimony showed us was the strange ways that donald trump conducts off the book foreign policy and has different people playing unofficial roles involved in different things so no one knows the whole picture of what's happening. this is sort of how he does what he does. he was certainly running an off-the-books foreign policy with giuliani where people who should've been in the loop didn't know the full picture of what was happening. that is the clear picture that is emerging here. fiona hill was always an interesting character in th...