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Eating pastries. the big issue, the state department has to affirmatively make a finding of national interests. green late to. say it's okay. can you do this, and the state department has a process that they're managing about whether they're going to decide if it's okay to do that and what we have found from four-year requests has people in the state department, particularly the embassy in canada are e-mailing back and forth with a lobbyist for the company that wants to build the pipeline who also used to be a hillary clinton campaign official basically saying, go do it, get on it. >> phil pau...

We are talking about, what we were talking about? green energy, fox news' attack on the president or solyndra. i want to play you a little sound that comes from a column, a great column, written by our esteemed guest tim carney at the "washington examiner" writing, i would commend to everyone and to the liberals in the audience, because tim has a unique take on big business and its relationship to big government. and this is in the hearing about solyndra, subcommittee hearing on solyndra and they're talking about solyndra and this loan guarantee program and another congress persson brings up t...

On the fact pattern. steve spinner was running the program. he formerly did a bungler for the president, raised a lot of money. his wife at the law firm, not on the actual case and a law firm with hundreds of attorneys. huge law firm. not like his wife was working on the case, just to be clear, but, yes, it was the same firm. we're in the weeds's solyndra right now. i want to play this clip, sterns bite. a republican congress person basically making the point tim made at the beginning which is, look, we can note go up against china's industrial policy on exactly this issue. let's take a look. ...

Program, china came in with $33 billion, because they wanted to flood the world with cheap solar panels to kill off american industry. so they could later on push the price up. this is not about free markets. this is about mercantilism from china. you shouldn't be mad at president bush or obama for trying to stand up our solar companies. mad at china for trying to knock them down and congress doing nothing about it. that's the real story. >> 30 seconds. do we have -- we have the sterns clip of sterns saying we -- will you rack that while tim makes his point? >> yes. this is not about free mark...

Told them to do. go out, acquire skills, get an ed skag education, invest. the society didn't hold up its end. you might say they took a risk by taking on debt. the risk didn't pay off. too bad. that's how things work. of course, the banks made billions of dollars in bad bes.s the government was there with hundreds of billions of dollars. the federal reserve came running to the rescue lending them money to make sure they made it through the tough times. if we cared as much about students as we do about banks, we would give students the same deal. joining naomi klein and van johnson, tim carne,...