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Board with any exception? >> i think what you have to do is throw that out and say, we either do it 1% across the board or maybe some programs cut 100% of. i consider most of the commerce department to be corporate welfare. i would cut every bit of it. cut 100% of the department of commerce. maybe so i don't have to cut the social security if somebody who lives on social security. there are ways of doing it not across the board but if you can't decide on it like the sequester, you don't put a budget forward you get the sequester. >> you talk a lot about the constitution and returning to first ...

Social security wouldn't have a deaf sit or cause a problem for the budget. because we know the government spent all the money, and that's what happens if we lift the cap, the revenue does not come in, goes out the door, and spends special interest projects. it won't go towards our priorities, won't go to basic research or infrastructure, what you think are important, but special interest drives money in washington which is why spending caps are so important. john: skeptical of the think tank and some of your ideas about this because i look at what you guys have said in the past, the sequester...

Spouse magazine says, quote, this is essentially the secretary of defense's own version of the sequester. let's just cut it off at the knees and screw whoever it hurts. that's not a very wholistic approach. joining me now is colonel jack jacobs, medal of honor recipient and msnbc analysis and debra blabbert with blue star families. blue star families is also speaking out against the cuts. thank you both for joining us. debra, let me first start with you, because i think you talked to many families on a daily basis. what was the initial reaction to this that prompted blue star to come out with ...

People who are in, time to sell? >> dana, i think it is not too late. what the stock market is trying to tell us is that we've all been way too gloomy. we had good reason to be gloomy. as we sat here last year at this time remember we were debating whether congress would get us over the fiscal cliff, that was new year's holiday. eight weeks later, the sequester. then the government shutdown in the fall. there were a lot of reasons to look at the economy and look at the government and think it is going to be terrible. instead we had great stock market gain. i think the problem is we have all go...

>> absolutely. when we had the budget caps that we passed in 2011 which people called the sequester, s & p said they were inadequate and they downgraded our debt, so we've taken something that even in 2011 people thought wasn't enough, and we abandoned, it so really -- i think the number one threat to our national security and to our country is our debt, and by going through with this budget motion, everybody wants to be all giddy and joyful. it's a compromise. it's pragmatic. yeah, but it's a compromise going in the wrong direction. it's a compromise towards not really being serious about our...