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Law. >> there is an appetite for that and a companion build at 48 democratic senators side. i am one of them. so when we have this hearing on the abuse of the shadow docket, it's a need for supreme court reform. >> would you mean by court reform? >> court reform, the fact that we have a supreme court using its powers -- abusing its power. so we cannot talk about term limits. we can talk about applying the provisions. we can increase the number of the supreme court. we can cycle through judges. i think what is going to happen is when it comes to -- when it becomes obvious that the supreme court...

Out to -- anyway, and it just seems -- i know this sounds ridiculous, almost un-american. i was told that there are possibilities within the existing law to have the justice department look and see whether are there things that can be done that can limit the independent action of individuals in enforcing a federal -- and a -- and a state law. >> the senate judiciary committee now plans to hold a hearing examining not only the law, but also the high court's decision to allow it to take effect. in a scathing rebuke today, democratic chair dick durban argued quote, the court allowed it to see the...

The law is indefensible. the mechanics of the law are indefensible. the actual law itself, complete abortion ban, as complicated as most people's views on abortion might be, they are not complicated on how horrible the law is. today the senate judiciary committee announced they would hold a hearing to examine the texas abortion ban and the supreme court's abuse of the shadow docket. mazie hirono is a member of that committee and joins me now. senator, what is the agenda for senate democrats to deal with this law? >> well, one of the things they're going to do is to have a hearing on the suprem...

The program last night that would codify the roe standard into law, into federal law. is there appetite for that in the senate? obviously we need to pass it in both houses for it to become law. >> there's an appetite for that and the companion bill that 48 democratic senators signed. i am one of them. so when we have this hearing on the abuse of the shadow docket, what is going to come out i think is the need for supreme court reform and that -- >> what do you mean by court reform? >> court reform, the fact we have a supreme court abusing its powers so we can talk about term limits for the sup...

It's the better pr strategy. you had thoughts on twitter saying you were on "meet the press" to respond to that. respond. >> i appreciate the opportunity to say that that take is absolutely absurd. really has no business being broadcast on mainstream television. this was a procedural ruling. that's correct. but they have substantive implications. this ruling effectively gut away with three decades of supreme court precedent. roe is effectively dead in texas. it is, as you say, working on the shadow docket. the court can do things it would not be able to do on merits docket where there's more a...