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We have to make a big deal, and it has to be the proper deal for the country. >> look at america ink cocorpor really massive problems. america was built the last century on this manufacturing tour de force which rampaged around the world as a great superpower. clearly it's no long that kind of country. >> that's right. >> what do you do about it? >> well again it's jobs. you have to take jobs away from other countries, china, india, all these countries that are taking our jobs. by the way, mexico. we've made it so good for mexico what they're doing to us is unbelievable. you've got to take bac...

Comes later on the show. for now jim heinz and ted cole, thank you. >> thank you. we're watching the white house and capitol hill for any signs of a deal and when we come back, a man that has seen things worse than this, mr. deal himself, donald trump, his advise for the president at this crucial time. people don't have to think about

It genuinely was but the whole concept of it was that it was pretty tough at the beginning and at the end they got to the point where they decided they were going to have a discussion, not just about the debt limit and increasing that for six weeks, which is the republican plan they formally announced this morning but the president demanded that they talk about reopening the government and why not start beginning those discussions now? listen to what republican congressman pete sessionens told me about the nature of those discussions tonight. did you clash with the president, is that fair to s...

Might be clashing, those will probably be in a book some day. >> so what is going on now, current events are that there are still discussions going on, even at this late hour, piers, and members of house leadership staff is still on the phone with white house staff which is remarkable given the fact there was no discussion at all a few hours ago. >> let's go to the white house. jim acosta, late activity. we heard joe biden is still trapped inside the white house. is that a good sign the great deal maker hasn't emerged yet? >> i think that is a good thing. house republicans said they didn't com...

Do. regardless of how this current shut down washes up what advice do you give them about the about the art of doing a deal. business. >> when you don't like each other, it's very hard to make a deal. it's common sense. they don't like each other there is tremendous an mossty and i see it, i know john boehner and he's a good man working, very, very hard and has probably the second most difficult job. i mean, he has got some tough job. >> what would you do, though, about the tea party, ted cruz and those guys, 40 people in his party holding the entire country to ransom. >> i'm a believer becaus...