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On a daily basis. could it have been that maybe these workers down there saw what happened in detroit in the last couple of years, and there were a lot of investigative reports that showed some of these workers were off site and doing things. but they still remained -- they still kept their jobs. was that maybe a bad mark on unions? >> i think detroit left a bad taste in everyone's mind, and it could have been bad for this situation here in tennessee. what's interesting about the volkswagen vote is so many of these workers are happy with the conditions they work in. they also make more than ot...

Questioned whether or not the unionization long term is going to work. you see these unfunded pension liabilities, and a lot of workers who really have set up and joined these unions in an effort to have a pension at the end of the day, right? when that's not there, i think all of the sudden the mindset shifts to, wow, does unionization really work in this country? so i think going forward, it's going to be a true challenge for a lot of union representation to continue to push what they believe is the right cause. >> well, the numbers are dwindling across the country. so i guess we'll have to ...