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He did not want to take a question about ukraine, he's taking one today and visiting this small business, talking about healthcare earlier, but he is saying that he has not made the decision whether he's deploying forces yet but may, because of timing, and that the consequences will be severe if putin acts. now, obviously that's different than what we heard at the news conference, and the minor incursion and all the fall-out from that. we saw a walkback for an entire day on that. but, everything he says has recushions and ripples around the world, especially the nato allies. >> and kirby sayin...

Heading toward odesa, they are focussing on mariupol. they don't have control of the city but they are pounding it to dust. when you take a look at everything that's been attacked, and these are civilian structures. art school that was bombed, the theater that was bombed, the maternity hospital, another hospital over here apparently russian troops have taken control of and have held people hostage. a steel plant might manufacture goods for the war effort, but mostly a civilian target. and take a look at this. this was the theater, and this right here spells out in russian children, and you can...

That shooter and s.w.a.t. team officers will come in and sweep that. it will take them a while to do that. if there is nobody else they will get them out safely and get everybody static if there is just one shooter there. >> jim we're seeing, obviously some cell phone video that's been fed to us. with will obviously -- on a situation like this, ultimately be able to harvest a great deal of that. some of that if it's the theater itself, could obviously be crucially important evidence. >> that's exactly right. you know, these modern movie theaters, we all go to them. they are great for viewing t...