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Modern estimate is 22 or more. he makes a pretty tight rational argument therefore denying rewards people who knowingly break our laws. that seems fair. common sense would tell you that's not a bad idea. why did he change his mind? >> he got to a place where he started to better understand people who are struggling, people who are coming up in this caravan will hopefully usest the legal methods to come in and claim asylum for those who choose to do that. h i think he got a good understanding and that's what leaders do. they grow. they learn. and they apologize when they are wrong. >> tucker: i...

Only women who are in fact biologically female. the hope center is currently being investigated by the city of anchorage foror allegedly violating the city's transgender nondiscrimination law. in response to this, the center has sued saying the law infringes on religious freedom. kate anderson is senior counselor. thanks so much for coming on. are we misstating that? here we have a women's shelter who says they just want to admit women.arin what are their arguments for being allowed to do that? >> the hope women shelter exists to serve women and women who have been abused, women who have suffe...

Coming here illegally. >> if you take away the 14th amendment, if you take that away, then someoneyo else gets to make that decision. the 14th amendment wasy designed to take that away. >> tucker: have democrats concluded that it's good for america to have people come here illegally and have kids here? honest area making that case? >> no not at all. but we are talking about and you asked about his changing views. the case we are talking about now is if you have people coming in, subverting the law and not living up to its intent, than it something we have to address. we have to do it in a lega...

Where i stand.it it's the law so if we don't like it, we should change theee law. >> tucker: you would agree that you are not necessarily a racist if you oppose it. because that's a position -- you are a racist if you have the russian scam to get citizenship. >> i don't think you are a racist, no. >> tucker: [laughs] thank you. great to see you as always. a women's shelter in anchorage may have to shut down because it will only admit women. huh, that's next.n the president is on his way to a rally and we will be there, of course. >> president trump: i won by 20 points, i know the people. i kno...