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Pop culture tv stone when he have saying that. >> this is evolving. my measure david and i take a look at when things change is when the social culture changes. i think will and grace probably did more to educate the american public than almost anything anybody's ever done so far. i think people fear that which is different. now they are beginning to understand. >> as a person who is part of the phenomenon that is glee, how do you think it felt to the will and grace people to be mentioned? >> i know all four of them and i'm sure they are thrilled about it. when they first did that show and nbc...

Speech and democracy to do otherwise. bob schieffer, candy crowley, has been select for debates. i heard one criticism, that they're liberal leaning and they won't force the candidates to answer the questions posed. what do you think?. >> presidential debate down to two candidates, republican versus democrat, kind of thing where usually the moderator does not play gotcha. is not really trying to favor one side are o the other. gregg: right. >> it is not really, it is not the same as a talk show. you just can't pin them down. they can pin each other down if they choose to try to do that. people...

And people fear that which is different. now they're beginning to understand. >> as a person who is part of the phenomenon that is "glee" on tv. how do you think it felt to the "will and grace" people to be mentioned in that context? >> i'm all for them. and i'm sure they're absolutely thrilled about it. when they first did that show and nbc sat them down and said this could possibly turn into a huge thing and you might be threatened. it might get ugly. it never happened. never happened. and these are flawed characters. they're funny. you laugh at them. you want to go in the apartment whatever...

To educate the american public than almost anything anybody has ever done so far. and people fear that which is different. now they're beginning to understand. >> as a person who is part of the phenomenon that is "glee" on tv. how do you think it felt to the "will and grace" people to be mentioned in that context? >> i'm all for them. and i'm sure they're absolutely thrilled about it. when they first did that show and nbc sat them down and said this could possibly turn into a huge thing and you might be threatened. it might get ugly. it never happened. never happened. and these are flawed char...

>> it's easy for us to say. >> well, that's the situation -- that's the situation as it exists now. it's not at our heel, but i think, you know, there were times in the cold war when things were a little too dicey, things have been a little bit better since the cold war. i'm not looking for china to become the new soviet union. >> let's talk about how americans always delude themselves. and you say this. we like to think of ourselves as people that just want to be left alone and we're slow to anger. but when we are confronted, we rise up, swat them down, and then come back home to our farms. y...