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To do everything it can to make sure that these kids don't fall into the isis trap. when you look at the pilot program launched by the white house in these states minnesota among them recently do you think something like that is going to be effective? these pilot programs to really try to get to the root of this disenfranchisement? or is it frankly hiring a ton more people to scour through social media to find warning signs. >> you're asking a government guy about hiring a ton more people. let me give you a serious answer. i think it can be effective, but there are so many people getting invol...

Them. so then you start saying what could have happened here and you end upcoming down to this particular officer, i think. i mean in ferguson you could see a department that was kind of a mess. raising revenue with summons and all that. here north charleston you see a department that was really trying to knock down crime, save lives, most black lives, and you come down to this one guy. if you watch that dash cam, he does everything right. you know even they tell them explain why you're stopping sir, i'm stopping you because of the taillight. when he started running something else kicked in in...

They didn't look up. notice the police helicopter is lower. i think they think they're in that last realm where there's no civilian with a video camera. >> right. >> i think that's why they're doing it. and if you even see there's a guy at the end where seems to be all over he walks up and kind of all right, i'll get a couple kicks in too. that is life before video. >> and it surprises me that so many officers one guy didn't at least say knock it off. >> yeah we have to stop this. >> you see the two guys standing there all they would have had to do is say that's enough or whatever. >> right. t...

Defense rather than on the offense. a lot of headlines we're dealing with this, talking about shutting things down and closing things off. how about announcing how we'll be more aggressive going after these buys? >> we talked about this many times. i think it is very important to guard intelligence sources and methods. we haven't told them everything. there is more information out there. those leaks could be very damaging to us. maybe the story was coming out and somebody leaked it and they decided to take these steps. i agree a good offense is the best defense. fact of the matter sometimes if...

Self-defense as the defense is trying to say. so listen how mr. o'mara went after this witness. >> when was the first time you ever told anybody that you heard or saw whatever it was, movement from left to right outside of your back door? was it today? and if so, just tell us. >> i don't know if it was just today. >> okay. i'll ask it this way. could it be that the first time you mentioned this new piece of evidence was just now as you testified? >> it could be. i don't know. >> reporter: this touches upon a sore spot for the defense, because they maintained in the past they believe that in di...