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Too torchy there. >> again, i -- i thought, all of these issues, someone who has worked on you know gun violence and student loan debt many of them generational. >> did it look a little contrived, too many torches. >> maybe i could have done one fewer torch. >> in the debates, preparation can be everything. >> you can't do it for five minutes here or there. they get no life line. it's them, the camera, the audience. >> no phone a friend. >> no phone a friend. and they are sinking or swimming. that's where this is an important test in the process. >> after all the studying and all the rehearsal...