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Politico and msnbc contributor. so, natasha, mattis expanding on that point in an essay in the wall street journal this week, writing nations with allies thrive and those without them wither. alone, america cannot protect our people and our economy. that the time, we can see storm clouds gathering. what kind of warning is this to you? >> this is always something that mattis has emphasized. that's why it was particularly surprising when the president chose him in the first place to be the secretary of defense. he has always been very dedicated to maintaining these alliances and sees them as ver...

Wise leadership requires collaboration. otherwise, it would lead to failure. nations with allies thrive and those without them wither. alone, america cannot protect our people and our economy. at this time we can see storm clouds gathering." back with us, nancy cook, jon meacham, eugene robinson, general barry mccaffrey. general, i'll begin with you. you are certainly very familiar with mattis. what do you make of this? >> look, mattis is a very unusual figure in the armed forces. with the exception of maybe colin powell, he's the most respected military officer since world war ii. he's a defe...

That was adapted from his new book mattis writes in part, "a wise leader must deal with reality and state what he intends, and what level of commitment he is willing to invest in achieving that end. wise leadership requires collaboration. otherwise, it would lead to failure. nations with allies thrive and those without them wither. alone, america cannot protect our people and our economy. at this time we can see storm clouds gathering." back with us, nancy cook, jon meacham, eugene robinson, general barry mccaffrey. general, i'll begin with you. you are certainly very familiar with mattis. wha...

Thrilled. but what's he done for me? how has he done in afghanistan? not too good. and i wish him well. i hope he does well. but as you know, president obama fired him. and essentially so did i. what results? >> that was shortly after former defense secretary james mattis left his post in the trump administration. today we are hearing from him in the first time in the form of some not so thinly veiled swipes at the president. in a "wall street journal" essay that was adapted from his new book mattis writes in part, "a wise leader must deal with reality and state what he intends, and what level...

Leadership and a need for allies he writes this, quote, a wise leader must deal with reality and state what he intends and what level of commitment he's willing to invest in achieving that end. he then has to trust that his subordinates know how to carry that out. wise leadership requires collaboration, otherwise it will lead to failure. nations with allies thrive. those without them wither. alone, america cannot protect our people and our economy. at this time we can see storm clouds gathering. i think mattis -- was that if you use a word that has to be googled. but if we take that statement ...