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Trump pretty much all the time. so the been very hard for any candidates to articulate -- >> but not ben carson. >> until carson started to emerge. but you really haven't seen much from anybody in the last three months except for trump. >> but carson's an interesting -- there's two theories on donald trump. theory a, media creation essentially in a kind of like compulsive affect of cable news, they kept covering him and he rose to prominence. theory b, organic support for what the man stands for among the republican base. the ben carson thing because he was able to burst through without the ki...

From anybody in the last three months except for trump. >> but carson's an interesting -- there's two theories on donald trump. theory a, media creation essentially in a kind of like compulsive affect of cable news, they kept covering him and he rose to prominence. theory b, organic support for what the man stands for among the republican base. the ben carson thing because he was able to burst through without the kind of obsessive coverage would seem to be a point in favor of the theory b, which is what i take it your position is. >> yeah. and i wouldn't even say the theory b -- >> because -- ...

-- there's two theories on donald trump. theory a, media creation essentially in a kind of like compulsive affect of cable news, they kept covering him and he rose to prominence. theory b, organic support for what the man stands for among the republican base. the ben carson thing because he was able to burst through without the kind of obsessive coverage would seem to be a point in favor of the theory b, which is what i take it your position is. >> yeah. and i wouldn't even say the theory b -- >> because -- >> -- is about his positions as much as personality. one thing that's clear right now i...