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And your heart's just turning and turning, your stomach's turning, because it's horrific. and the references to the people—traffickers are, obviously, the most troubling, disturbing elements of it. and also to the russian police, who don't come out of it well either! but i think it is really interesting a story dealing with such dark material can be so uplifting in the end, because it is... the message of the story is, to accept the future, you have to... deal with your past, yes. and i thought, you hear in those interviews somebody dealing with the past. it is almost a therapy session. actu...

And i thought, you hear in those interviews, you hear somebody dealing with the past. it's almost like a therapy session. actually, yes, and because the two men are such old friends, the central character is now 36 and, we are told, has a very successful career in denmark. we don't know who he is, quite rightly, and there are flashes of humour. i mean, you couldn't get through it if there weren't. and that's lovely. there's a lovely detail when he's young and looking at a poster ofjean—claude van damme, and thinking, "there's something going on here, but i'm not quite sure what it is!", whic...

It was him addressing the scandal and talking about his efforts to come back. so maybe there is a bit of an endorsement there of his, you know, contrition and him saying yes, i apologize, this is how i'm coming back. but it's not a great look. >> all right, matthew belloni, thank you so much for coming on, keeping us up to date. i think that segment, we keep. >> i like that. >> we'll keep that one. >> good information. >> so we're getting -- >> he knows his stuff. >> we get mixed reviews right here. i'm curious on our therapy session with andrew ross sorkin -- >> that did not work. >> it did w...

I mean there is some healthy amount of guilt maybe that it's like, oh, well, go see your family, go to the inconvenience of travel, go to the necessary thing. how do you navigate that? you know, trying to strike that delicate balance of prioritizing the new moments you get to relax versus, you know, spending time with family. and yes, i am turning this into a therapy session. please, your thoughts. >> you know, i think there are so many artificial expectations. you know, as you discussed with your previous guests, there are so many expectations we put around this holiday season that aren't rea...

Democracy. i represent more or just as many or more people than joe manchin does. perhaps more. >> bill: that's pretty bold. >> it would have been nice if the person interviewing her could have asked the whole thing you said about looting not happening in cities around the country, what are you really saying? nothing is asked about that. it was like watching a therapy session that interview. it appears the most powerful joes in the country. joe borough, -- it's where we're @ this point. >> bill: the easy retort on that aoc comment is that but the people in his state went for a president who lo...