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We noticed pretty quickly, there wasn't any major organized response right off the bat. also you said there has been at this point now, but right up front, it was surprising that there wasn't sort of the massive organized effort that you might have expect for something like thvenlt it was encouraging but disturbing so see people in shorts and flip-flops with shovels and buckets to try to do what they could to save the beach. >> when you talk about that initial slow response as far as we understand the first responders, the first discovery that it was the pipeline and then how big the spill app...

Cleanup compared to its official pace. can you explain at all what was going on there? >> yeah. as you said, right after we heard the spill had occurred around noon on tuesday, we went out there and just as a lot of other santa barbara residents did and saw the crude lapping up on the shore and immediately people sort opened jumped down there with buckets and shovels and tried to help because what we noticed pretty quickly, there wasn't any major organized response right off the bat. also you said, there has been at this point now, but right up front, it was surprising that there wasn't sort o...

This point now, but right up front, it was surprising that there wasn't sort of the massive organized effort that you might have expect for something like thvenlt it was encouraging but disturbing so see people in shorts and flip-flops with shovels and buckets to try to do what they could to save the beach. >> when you talk about that initial slow response, as far as we understand the first responders, the first discovery that it was the pipeline and then how big the spill appeared to be. it happened on tuesday about mid-day. how long did it take before there was any officialry responsibility ...

Be there. >> isn't illinois one of the states that does background checks on and a navigators. >> they sure do. i have been able to pull the fbi check on her. to their credit it doesn't mention prior conviction. it's more of a national security scare she was able to get in the country by lying to begin with. >> all right. she is not currently a navigator, right? when they did find out they did move swiftly? >> that's right. in the wake of her indictment for lying on her application papers the department of buried the disciplinary report. >> aside that revoking the license some sort of quiet pr...

Have deeper problems. how does this even -- assume that there is this targeting scandal and obviously i said i'm suspicious. i think that there was. looking at what i know. is this sort of a -- i mean, how many people at the irs would know about this? is this sort of a culture where people sort of looking the other way knowing that someone may be doing something a little bit not quite right, targeting people? >> not in my experience. in my experience, people up and down the line tried to do what was right, and what i find most disturbing here is the commissioner himself, who we have said this ...