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"way too early" here on msnbc and an msnbc political analyst. and from istanbul, nbc news senior international correspondent, keir simmons. keir, let me start with you in istanbul, when we're kyiv making a review of these talks and pick up where jacob left off there. the differences that we are hearing coming out of moscow versus ukraine, right? it seems as if moscow is saying, listen, there hasn't been much positive coming out of these talks. whereas the ukrainians, the president specifically saying, this was a step in the right direction, but, of course, this cautious optimism. what do you m...

Saturday, had represented safety and security in a place where hundreds of thousands, if not millions of internally displaced people were able to pass through this part of the country on their way to safety to become refugees. there's now more than 2.5 million child refugees, according to unicef. the facts on the ground don't bear out anything that resembles what we're hearing from the russians. and that's why i think you hear, i wouldn't even call it cautious optimism from president zelenskyy. he said that he does not silence the sounds of the bombs, even though, and i'm paraphrasing, even th...

Sitting down trying to negotiate this jcpoa, which would be a win for the biden administration, not something that president putin wants right about now. >> that's what makes it even more tenuous that a deal comes together. there has been some signaling about how close or how kind of stalled these talks have come. the biden administration has put a lot of effort into it. and continues to. obviously, try to be prepared that if in some way, there is a way to move forward here, that they are prepared that they have communicated to capitol hill, they want to be out in front on that. >> ana palmer,...

Ukraine. they are transferring them to other parts of the country, to give them an advantage in those areas. meantime, the head of the ukrainian delegation in istanbul saying that the russian delegation has left the negotiations, both sides, giving very different views of these talks, but the russians saying that they had not produced anything that would be, quote, very promising or constitute any breakthroughs. meanwhile, ukraine's president saying that the talks had been, quote, positive, but that the developments did not silence the explosion of russian shells. meantime, we're getting a new...

Are in the position of power versus the ukrainians? >> well, we do know that the russians, they kind of enjoy the word play, don't they? they kind of enjoy the back and forth, the chess game, if you want to call it that, albeit, admitting, acknowledging that this is a war with terrible consequences. listen, here's the thing. you know, in the end, negotiations like these are very, very difficult. we talked yesterday about that some trust has been developed. but it's likely that therehaveo talks and who knows when we might get to the point where president zelenskyy and president putin actually m...