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Know he's a liar, chris. 2,000 lies in his first year in office. i counted 15 1/2 lies in his first short snippet, talking about no collusion, no obstruction. >> you do too much lie counting. phil, let me ask you a question. the reason i think you beautifully teed up that sound bite is because lack of discipline, you said. rosemary woods. a lot of people say who is that? that was nixz nixon's secretary and it's talking about the gap in the tapes. he is constantly trying to play to advantage, right? that's what he's doing. with mccabe, he's grossly out of context about the money his wife got. m...

And this is where the prosecutors will pin him down and want him to be specific. and so that's why phil's point is so important. it could take an hour to get one answer. >> right. but if he did give an answer like this in pretty short course, norm, what would this mean in the context of this investigation, where if this interview is under oath or whatever, you know, he's got exposure to telling the truth, what would this mccabe answer mean? >> well, if he does something like this, say it's a very similar scenario -- the mccabe issues are beside the point of the interview that's going to happen...

So now we're in a different setting, and it's a subject he doesn't like, and he's sitting with one of investigators and his counsel. and they ask him about one of these things, did you say this, and i says, i don't think i said it. i don't know what the big deal is. how does that play in that setting in. >> as a prosecutor, and i thi phil is 100% right that you need a lot of time because i expect this would happen. you will have every single record of every conversation, every e-mail, whatever is relevant to the conversation you're having, and you will then bring it out and you will go painsta...