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(metal door shuts) - our norm is prison. that's what's been imposed on us as communities of color. i think about my community's values, values of rehabilitation and that incarceration in the prisons and the jails are not the only solutions to it. (light music) as a participatory defense organizer at de-bug, i and a lot of other people support families who are facing the criminal or juvenile or immigration systems. (light music) (people chattering in background) and we walk families through that system to impact the outcomes of their cases, and transform the landscape of power in the courts. ho...

Than that, as we know. crime is much more complex and what these prosecutors these judges do, is only one piece of the very, as we said, systemic system. so i don't think recalls are a good idea. >> and we never recall judge who punish too lenient lee we only, sorry, we never recal judges who punished to charsley, only to lenient lee. and this is part of the crisis of mass incarceration. so no, i don't think there should be recalls. i don't think there used well, and i think they contribute to more years in prison and t entrenching ourselves in the - crisis >> has this later foundation where i...

Are the legal system i think i have cooper's as i right, criminal justice only - only exacerbates these inequalities so we actually can't just be single focused i think that we have seen ho that doesn't work, in so man ways and so as we advocate for meto and for accountability, an justice in sexual assault, w also have to look at the criminal justice system, which historically and still, come down most harshly on people of color and low income people it is an unfair system. if we don't deal with that, an having more laws that just put people in prison longer, tha is just not justice fo anybody...

Their lives? you know, and so, it is not th fact the brought turner got it it is that everyone should get that consideration, which is - >> but judge persky was know to be lenient. the problem, as some researchers found, is that his leniency tended to come out in cases involving sexual assault not in other areas of the law. how do you balance that kind o record against the sort of broader social amelia, when we are really, finally starting t sake sexual assault and victim seriously? >> yeah. percy had a record where h sentenced in line with the probation department so the biases you see in thi...

- i absolutely think that white privilege informed the brock turner case, but in ways that are complicated. the sentencing guidelines recognize that he was a college student, that people saw with potential, with no record. and this stands in contrast to how this system would see a 19 year old black kid from a poor neighborhood who's a defendant. increasing sentencing, broadening the definitions of crimes prosecuting more people, we all have this imagination that it will get at the powerful, privileged criminal offenders. but criminal law doesn't equalize the world. criminal law does the opposi...