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I think if you are watching fox news every night, as we know the president is, you think that robert mueller and rod rosenstein are about ready to be thrown in jail, that they have committed crimes against the constitution that are so catastrophic that, you know, they ought to be hauled out of the justice department in handcuffs. so, yes, the president i think really does believe that. he marinates in that all day, all night long. there is a sense of grievance, of persecution burning inside him basically his whole life. so, this fits right into that. i think to john's point about what exactly ...

A verbal tick. i think he says the phrase no collusion at least half a dozen times a day out loud or on twitter. >> that is exactly right. in watching this story play out, i think if you are watching fox news every night, as we know the president is, you think that robert mueller and rod rosenstein are about ready to be thrown in jail, that they have committed crimes against the constitution that are so catastrophic that, you know, they ought to be hauled out of the justice department in handcuffs. so, yes, the president i think really does believe that. he marinates in that all day, all night...

Going to bat for the kremlin and inviting the proffering of negative information about hillary clinton. so i think that's why it is so substantial. at the very least, it suggests that at the highest levels of the campaign, they were okay with sitting down with someone like that. even if this meeting didn't get that kind of information. >> anderson, you just said to ryan, you said, well, he didn't know her name, but he invited paul manafort and jared kushner in a meeting. this is what is so crucial. by his own admission, he knew what the context of the meeting was. he has said he knew he was go...

Security clearance, you don't need to vet them any longer. >> that's not accurate, katie. security clearance is a determination by the government that you are eligible for aess to sensitive informatio th there's a second piece. you have to have a need to know based on your job. to get vetted, he would have to go through the most vigorous vetting. that's where the trump transition dropped the ball. >> that begs the question, why would he have a security clearance if he should not be somebody who is get thing information? >> well, again, he only gets the information if he has a job, if the elect...

Specifics. but i can tell you, that prior to receive thing information, there was clear indication that russia was engaged in attacking our country. that's been substantiated in a public release from our intelligence agencies. so it's clear they were trying to compromise the integrity of our election. to me that was actionable and i've called for action. >> okay. but what -- the material that you got sent, did it reinforce this conclusion? does it add evidence? does it give -- i mean, i guess the question is this -- the thing that's missing here is how did they do it? there suspect a full expl...