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And duly foot noting. senator rand paul is foot noting his speeches but does it really matter. sahil kapur, michael tomasky and zerlina maxwell. gang, it's good to have you here. michael, i want to start with you because we had senator ted cruz giving his opinion on why he thinks president bill clinton is coming out swinging with these comments from yesterday. take a listen. >> that was certainly revealing, and it suggests perhaps that hillary clinton is looking to run away from president obama and run away from obama care. and that ought to be a signal to democrats, this thing isn't working. ...

Do you feel like you owe your party an apology? listen, you have people who believed in you. they believed that you were going to somehow be able to defund obama care. they believed in the strategy of shutdown might have a chance. they followed you into a ditch. and now there's obviously no chance that obama care is going to be defunded, and we're on the brink of a horrific default. do you think that in the reflection of your own heart you might say you know what, i'm a new kid here. i think i owe you guys an apology. >> you know, van, i know you desperately want to change the topic from obama...

Care. but you know who hasn't stopped focusing on obama care is the american people. the reason the house of representatives has stood strong on obama care is that millions of americans rose up and said look, this thing isn't working. this thing is killing jobs. it is taking away people's health care. it is not working. and that's what we need to stay focused on. >> well, you were kind of a lone voice on that now. it's almost kind of delusional sounding your entire party is now moving on. your entire party is saying that this debt ceiling catastrophe that we're on the verge of doing needs to b...

We're back for the final minutes with our guests, senator ted cruz and sheldon whitehouse. i have one specific question for you. brand-new poll out today that reflects the gradual penetration of obama care's challenges. it indicates that when asked should government mandate americans to buy health insurance, it is 28% yes and 68% no. now, do you think that maybe some reason to at least revisit and rethink some of this? >> i think revisiting and rethinking this in the ordinary procedures is always a sensible thing to do. we have to get away from the hostage dramas and we have to get back to reg...

Economy. and i think we need to do structural reforms to get our spending under control. but at the same time, you got to fight one thing at a time. you can't fight everything at once. we are in the middle of an epic movement, millions of americans have risen up and said, they want relief from obama care. so washington -- listen. politicians in both parties in washington have not been listening to the american people. but over 2 million americans signed a national petition at don'tfundit.com. because obama care isn't working. >> let me ask it from a different angle. the republicans in the hous...