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Speech, as he did, he would have new dirt on clinton if he wasn't into the details? >> that occurred to me at the time and a few days later we learn learned about the meeting, absolutely. >> what do you recognize it as. he clearly wants to help his son, widespread reporting he's worried mueller could indict his son. i will tell you and give you my analysis and yours, if you are in trouble for the criminal mindset of obstructing a probe and do things that reveal more of your mindset you're not helping your son, potentially hurt him. >> you would say that and that would be the normal reaction. t...

>> ken, coming out of the courtroom when this has been a drama series of events, this is still our lead story because it's so important, i wonder if you could tell us a little bit more from your reporting about the tensions with the judge. it's not all good news for mueller, although they say they are methodically moving through this case, walk us through the case and what you glean from that. >> reporter: judge ts ellis is a judge who likes to impose his will on the courtroom. our commentator says some are happy to be umpire and others interjekts himself as shortstop. he stops prosecutors abo...

Boss in charge, with the python jacket, had no clue. the other thing mueller's team has done a good job is to support and protect gates beforehand. every witness who has come to the stand already, the book keeper, the vendors said the same thing. manafort was in charge. manafort knew where every dollar and cent went and the process put on gates and pre-supported in his testimony? >> kathy, your view of the prosecution strategy here? >> i think they had to put him on. there was some discussion about not putting him on the stand. that was a sign the prosecution team thought they had a pretty str...

Thing he pled guilty to, the false statements. it was on february 1st of 2018. i think once you are in this soup, you would figure out more lies -- if there is one thing mueller's investigation is showing is they are detail oriented. >> but i know from having been da, if you gave criminals an iq test they wouldn't score at the top and that is why they get caught. >> and putting that aside, the other stuff goes back years into defrauding the united states. they are talking about tax stuff. and this is like a lot of other things trying to squeeze somebody and you get them on other things. obviou...

Reince priebus or mcgahn. both of whom would have information that might put him in the soup. >> absolutely. you have here -- foreign policy magazine purports that trump himself ordered ban tnon to lim his testimony. president donald trump personally made the decision to curtail the testimony of former chief white house political strategist steve bannon before the house intelligence committee. >> president trump is selectively invoking privilege so some white house officials can talk about anything and people like bannon and hope hicks, you have to watch what you're going to say. that's not go...