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lawyers watching all of this? >> they are watching it closely. attorneys for trump and other defendants were in the courthouse yesterday. they want to know if someone like mark meadows is able to do this, that bodes well for former president trump, may bode well for jeffrey crash lark who was e justice department at that time. >> and they grilled meadows about that famous or infamous i should say trump/raffensperger phone call in which you have the former president, at the time the current president, literally saying on tape find me the votes to overturn the election here. did that give the cross-examination give any view as to what the prosecution strategy is here? because the other thing trump's lawyers are watching is how exactly are they going to go at this case. >> it certainly shed light on what meadows' defense will be. he is saying i did all this in the capacity of my job and basically everything that i did even if it wasn't related to trump's official policy or the
but they are good people everywhere. >> reporter: the icc prosecutor is talking about the most severe cases, which were often in state-run institutions in occupied parts of ukraine. that were then whisk ed away frm those areas and in some cases given russian citizenship and given to russian parents. that appears to be the crux of the icc's prosecution strategy, but of course, the likelihood of putin showing up in the hague is basically zero. >> really touching report there, david mckenzie in kyiv. thank you for that. i want to turn to istanbul for more on russia's reaction. as i mentioned earlier, moscow has been dismissive. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: dismissive is certain ly the word to describe
housekeeper testified two months after the crime are, the department made a point of telling her he wore a different shirt the day of the crime than the one she remembered. >> mr. alec came over and inquiring of you what shirt he had on that day, is that correct? >> it didn't feel like he was inquiring, it felt more like he was trying to convince me of the shirt he was wearing. >> the other part of the prosecution strategy, that murdaugh killed his wife and son to distract and delay investigations into allegations that he was stealing money. and his boat crash that killed mallory beech subjected murdaugh to a multi-million dollar lawsuit that threatened to expose his finances, a month after paul and maggie's murders, a family friend gave alec a ride to the airport and says the defendant mentioned the lawsuit. >> he said that he would like
declined to answer our questions about them, only engaging on things like whether or not ilhan omar should be kicked off the foreign affairs committee, not on substantive scandals having to do with him and him at the center of them. >> this isn't the only thing, obviously, we've talked about an fec complaint, we've talked about reports of a doj criminal investigation. i wonder how you look at sort of this overall picture, what his liability is. could there be a prosecution strategy to efficiently, at least initially focus on a lesser charge like a go fund me scheme in an attempt to get the defendant to agree to a plea ahead of more serious charges? >> reporter: yeah, it's hard to know what is happening behind the scenes because of course the justice department, the fbi don't broadcast their investigations. but if this report is true that the veteran has provided, the fbi's asking questions, it seems appropriate to me they need to ask questions before they can determine whether crimes were committed. and although this particular
my good friend joyce vance is a former u.s. attorney and professor at the alabama school of law. a co-host of the sisters in law podcast. and legal analyst, joyce. because apparently you don't do enough. let's start with the prosecution strategy not. case trump adjusted to the, move moving for a mistrial, in fact. saying that -- has no tropical conspirator. prosecutors say they are clearly allowed to talk about the co during a case about a company. what do you think of the move the prosecution to go after trump like this, is a way to doing until closing arguments? >> katie, you, know like i do, that prosecutors are entitled to respond to allegations the defendants making in trial. here, one of the turning points in this case, it is a smart strategy, has been to focus on allen weisselberg. the trump ceo, who has already pled guilty to these charges.
by the post office. i think there was. i think all the evidence points to the fact that in 2013, the post office board knew it had a serious problem not just with its it system but with its prosecution strategy over the first 13 years of this century. they prosecuted people at the rate of one a week and legal advice came to their attention which made it apparent that some of those prosecutions, many of those prosecutions, could be unsafe. around that time, they did a secret investigation into their it system which raised all sorts of problems within the it system. yet, at the same time, the post office head of security, this came out in court of appeal last year, ordered the shredding of documents in relation to problems with horizon it system. the post office then went through a period of denial whilst journalists were starting to pick up the story between 2013 and 2019. and it was only during high court litigation, where alan bates, the head of thejustice for sub—postmasters alliance and 500 other sub—postmasters put a group litigation together
this trial. >> one aspect "the new york times" reported in terms of the prosecution strategy that they might try to go after r. kelly partly by having a number of his -- of the people testifying against him, his accusers say they had unprotected sex with him and he did not warn them that he was positive for a sexually transmitted infection specifically that he had herpes. how might that factor into this? >> well, the jury in illinois and federal court has already heard from r. kelly's physician. he testified r. kelly had been diagnosed with herpes a number of years ago. that is the same sexually transmitted disease a number of r. kelly victims are claiming that they did not know they had, and it only happened -- they were diagnosed after they had sexual intercourse with r. kelly. again, it's this idea there's this causal effect. r. kelly caused this. if you're the prosecution part of what you're trying to do though is convince this jury r. kelly is a bad guy, and that
politics and not about anything he did wrong. what do you want people to know? >> anybody that have been thinking about that, or says that, has no interest in really knowing what the truth is. because i mean, you have seen it. he has demonstrated it by things he admits to. when i talked about how brilliant he was that he used the tax code. i'm so brilliant. what is does he know, that the tax code was used and he does not know this part of the tax code being used. i would tell them to read my book. but i would tell them, just get real. >> he will well, we will know more about the charges and understand whether or not this, where this seems in terms of a prosecution strategy. they are under seal. but things rarely stay quiet. ly elliott williams, thank you very much. barbara rez appreciate the personal perspective as well. >> another big story breaking on our watch.
boss in charge, with the python jacket, had no clue. the other thing mueller's team has done a good job is to support and protect gates beforehand. every witness who has come to the stand already, the book keeper, the vendors said the same thing. manafort was in charge. manafort knew where every dollar and cent went and the process put on gates and pre-supported in his testimony? >> kathy, your view of the prosecution strategy here? >> i think they had to put him on. there was some discussion about not putting him on the stand. that was a sign the prosecution team thought they had a pretty strong case without him. they have shown some strengths in the case. when they had the accountant say directly, did you have foreign accounts and the answer was, no. they showed foreign accounts, that's pretty hard evidence to