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Here. >> the transparency. >> yes. that's why he should have been more aggressive a few weeks ago. line, i understand. we all know how this works. i'm sure that there were echoes of this thing rattling around from the irs like -- like noise from a barrel somewhere during the fall campaign. they didn't want this -- somebody didn't want this coming out. even maybe the irs people were smart enough politically to say, let's not put this out now. i'm not blaming the white house for that. okay. things happen during the midst of a campaign in an administration that administrations don't want to have ...

They were dribbling out. i'd say, wait a minute. these guys had something to do with it. i would immediately think guys around w. in the white house had something to do with the irs. most people think like that. >> of course. but let's do what steve did which is hold the president to his own standards. forget about george w. bush. i think steve's right about the brand. about the obama brand. and that's what's at risk right here. >> the transparency. >> yes. that's why he should have been more aggressive a few weeks ago. line, i understand. we all know how this works. i'm sure that there were e...

>> of course. but let's do what steve did which is hold the president to his own standards. forget about george w. bush. i think steve's right about the brand. about the obama brand. and that's what's at risk right here. >> the transparency. >> yes. that's why he should have been more aggressive a few weeks ago. line, i understand. we all know how this works. i'm sure that there were echoes of this thing rattling around from the irs like -- like noise from a barrel somewhere during the fall campaign. they didn't want this -- somebody didn't want this coming out. even maybe the irs people were ...