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Matter and refused to cooperate, on his last day in office. so i think when that last day comes, that's what paul manafort is waiting for. >> how do you explain joe arpaio, then? >> i don't think arpaio was as controversial as manafort would be because manafort was so integral to the russia investigation. so, you know, the controversy would be about the president issuing a pardon for somebody involved in the investigation of him. arpaio doesn't fit in that category. so, look, it would be too politically explosive at this point for trump to pardon manafort, but down the road when he's about to ...

Is waiting for. >> how do you explain joe arpaio, then? >> i don't think arpaio was as controversial as manafort would be because manafort was so integral to the russia investigation. so, you know, the controversy would be about the president issuing a pardon for somebody involved in the investigation of him. arpaio doesn't fit in that category. so, look, it would be too politically explosive at this point for trump to pardon manafort, but down the road when he's about to leave office, sure. >> all right. i feel you. laura, not even an hour after manafort was sentenced, the manhattan d.a. char...