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It's a difficult question because they probably would have gone to court to get a judge to force dowd to talk. even if dowd talked it's unsure how reliable his statements would have been. but was and still is a central question of the house investigation. did the president try to abuse his power to protect himself and maybe these underlying documents will shed more light on it. >> can you jump in to the point jonathan lemire was making about this concession of the justice department in terms of turning over some of the underlying evidence to chairman nadler? >> i don't think barr wants to be h...

Barr's rising power over the intelligence community has been accompanied by swelling disallusionment with mr. barr amongst security officials and moderates. when he agreed to take the job, many cast him as a republican straight shooter steeped in ideological moores. now they see him as someone who has glossed over mr. trump's misdeeds, smeared his investigations and possibly could declassify information for political gain. not the bill barr they knew. it's more than a power grab. it's a real threat to the intelligence community. >> i always said president trump is the anti-midas, everyone arou...

As soon as this weekend. he says he's reviewing the material that mueller's given him, and maybe he'll be able to do that. i know nobody -- as far as i can tell, nobody's been able to figure out exactly what volume of material mueller has given to barr, how much of an investment of time and energy it might take to actually review all of it. do you have any sense or any educated guesses as to what barr is looking at and what might count as a principal conclusion? >> well, rachel, i came over directly from the justice department just a few minutes ago, and what we were told over there was that i...

He says he's reviewing the material that mueller's given him, and maybe he'll be able to do that. i know nobody -- as far as i can tell, nobody's been able to figure out exactly what volume of material mueller has given to barr, how much of an investment of time and energy it might take to actually review all of it. do you have any sense or any educat educated guesses as to what barr is looking at and what might count as a principal conclusion? >> well, rachel, i came over directly from the justice department just a few minutes ago, and what we were told over there was that it's a comprehensiv...

>> i don't think barr is going to want to talk about that. if mueller committed those thoughts to paper, that's exactly the heart of the kind of things that justice does not want to come out. and barr is going to not have that come out. they'll fight tooth and nail over that. >> so help me. sorry to interrupt. but help me on this. the american people have been told about this trump tower meeting in the middle of the campaign. donald trump jr., jared kushner, bring russians in. they've been promised dirt on hillary clinton. that's outside the norm. is it illegal? you're the legals, help me out....