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>> it's easy to understand. >> am i gleaning from this, mr. varney, sir that's correct you support this? >> i support the idea of radical tax reform, lower rates and fewer deductions. >> or do you support 9-9-9 oregon a flat tax? >> i like newt gingrich proposal, and i like the perry proposal because it has the best chance of passing because it's optional. that's a big deal. and i like the cain plan because of its simplicity. >> i don't think cain is that simple. >> 9-9-9, people seem to understand it. >> i think the consumption tax, and talking about a national sales tax, there is still room ...

Critical, how they look at it and how far romney is ahead. new hampshire is a place you cannot talk about sales taxes. believe me, i've been up there too many times. it's like talking about lyme disease. you don't do it. i think what happened to cain was the bubble was burst. i'm willing to wager his numbers will start to go down now. >> kimberly: precipitously, not like we saw perry. >> bob: but they will tick down. substantive guy. >> eric: he also really got tripped up right before the debate on the -- yeah. gitmo and dealing with terrorists. a big fail. >> greg: he said he would consider t...

Show. congratulations. i don't think cain -- >> greg: you didn't see the tape. >> bob: don't say that. i gave you a credit thing, what happens? >> greg: i watched the debate. i was slightly ainebriateed -- einebriateed. watch the debate with three glasses of wine. it makes everything better. >> dana: if i had three glasses of wine, i wouldn't watch the debate. i want to make a complaint about the debate. i was pleased it was going to be, it was co-sponsored by the western business round table there were no questions that had to do with the western united states, except for one that came from t...

Not only did romney look like ken doll interrupted trying to show emotion, but beyond that, did you notice what he said? he said, "i wouldn't hire illegals because i'm running for president." >> greg: that was the point. >> bob: to me, that says pages. the other thing, in this business of presidential politics when there is blood in the water the sharks will surround him. people think, whatever else you may think, romney got it handed to him last night. he has four weeks in the debate now. that was his strength. perry weaknesses. now up to the tv ads. they will come at him and come at him hard...

Doing dirty work for the democrats. >> kimberly: yeah. >> greg: is it help the candidates or hurting them? >> kimberly: there is criticism of that, that the g.o.p. is tearing each other down and the democrats will love this. the benefactor of the infighting amongst conservatives. but nevertheless, people criticize mitt romney for saying the guy is being so straight a all the time, didn't get passionate or expressing opinion. he got riled up and was testy when put on attack by rick perry. good for perry. he had to step up. he needed a good performance and he gave one. >> dana: he got himself ba...