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Two ways. right now newt has the ascendancy, can he keep it? and romney has been steady eddie. >> the whole thing is changed because of herman cain. you have to consider that. i don't think cain was of a factor. >> i don't understand what is going on in the party that romney keeps -- >> you are a liberal. what do you know about that? >> he said he likes romney. >> why have me here if i can't talk? for my good looks, probably. >> you are the one that goes swimming naked. >> how do you know that? >> he said that. >> he said it on the air. >> i was a member of the boys club in providence, rhode i...

Two ways. right now newt has the ascendancy, can he keep it? and romney has been steady eddie. >> the whole thing is changed because of herman cain. you have to consider that. i don't think cain was of a factor. >> i don't understand what is going on in the party that romney keeps -- >> you are a liberal. what do you know about that? >> he said he likes romney. >> why have me here if i can't talk? for my good looks, probably. >> you are the one that goes swimming naked. >> how do you know that? >> he said that. >> he said it on the air. >> i was a member of the boys club in providence, rhode i...

It's too clever by half. i do think when it's over, that's what's going to start counting in all these national polls, i don't think cain is going to be the nominee. but after this election in 2013 we're heading toward massive, never seen before tax reform, and the idea of flattening things out, maybe even a consumption tax, herman cain will get a lot of credit for bringing that to the debate. >> that's a good segue. i want to take a break. we're going to come back and talk about larger leadership issues and some of the big problems that we're facing in

The same old tax system or you can have the new somewhat flat. it's too clever by half. i do think when it's over, that's what's going to start counting in all these national polls, i don't think cain is going to be the nominee. but after this election in 2013 we're heading toward massive, never seen before tax reform, and the idea of flattening things out, maybe even a consumption tax, herman cain will get a lot of credit for bringing that to the debate. >> that's a good segue. i want to take a break. we're going to come back and talk about larger leadership issues and some of the big problem...

Than giving money to corporations, et cetera, where they can just take that extra money, or to capital gains investors and invest it somewhere else. >> quickly, within the primary, though, this general election argument, the flat tax plan for perry, is it a rescue line for him? >> well, you know, the history of this says that the flat taxes don't do well in the second or third look because people get out the calculator. though i think a flattening of the tax code would be very good for jobs and is good policy. perry's problem is he wouldn't commit to it. he's got both plans. you can have the s...