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Scrutiny so we don't think doma is unconstitutional. so i think the combination of what the states and courts are doing, what we're doing administratively. >> but there's different rules in different states. some would make the argument that that's what we saw during segregation. >> chuck, i think what you're saying is a profound recognition on the part of the american people, that gas and lesbians and transgender persons are brothers, sisters, children, cousins, friends, co-workers. and that they've got to be treated like every other american. and i think that principle will win out. it's not...