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To declassify key documents in the open russia probe, and his intelligence chiefs have been disagreeing with that move. let's get into all of it, with a former federal prosecutor. any way that donald trump's lawyers with spin this, why are they talking about a pardon, and what is your reaction on the latest of the declassification? >> the desperation is showing. to pardon paul manafort at this point, would be a wild move, even for this president. it would be a flashing red light of obstruction. look at what rudy said. he said, we're not ruling out -- he's not disqualified from a pardon, and he...

Throwing everything at the wall to see if anything would stick and if the judge would take one of these far-fetched arguments and none work. i don't think manafort will cooperate. i think he's more scared of russians than jail. >> what do you mean? >> we know now from the exhibit list he had a significant loan from oli g, and in debt to him. >> he's scared the russians could do what? >> this is me based on the reporting we've seen, i think he's scared if he cooperated and provided information about russian attacks on the election and conspiracy about the trump campaign, russians could come aft...

Manafort could literally go to the opening statements and hear what the government has and plead -- make a deal after the opening statements. it could go up to the time the case goes to the jury. and we don't know when or if he would ever make a deal. or he may let it go to the jury and see what they say. >> today a judge also denied a request to move manafort's trial, his defense team has faced one defeat after another so far. how much of an uphill battle does he have for this trial? >> well, i think that it was a proper motion by the judge. he denied moving the trial from alexandria down to ...

Special counsel robert mueller making an presiding ov over. robert mueller is asking for immunity for five witnesses in the manafort trial that will begin next week. the names of the witnesses are undisclosed at this time. what does that mean? >> we don't know who the harasser they have in mind, whether it's the white house, whether it's congressional people, whether it's the public at large. that isn't explained in the motion. but the broader meaning, the request for immunity means these are not really friendly witnesses.

Started to untangle this, i guess, tangled web they wove when they first attempted to deceive. the connection with the nra as a potential conduit didn't make sense to me. but, again, the fact is we weren't able to get to the bottom of it because they refused to bring her before us or subpoena the documents that would have helped us understand the whole matter. >> congressman, thank you for your time. when we come back john dean weighs in on the president's comments today. i'm going to ask him if he thinks president trump made things worse. plus robert mueller with witnesses slated to testify...