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Where i think, well, i think mcsally has a good chance, the base voters are going to choose someone closer to the base. that is ward. i think what will happen is, look, voters know that martha mcsally is a flip-flopper. that's why her colleagues didn't endorse her. joe arpaio, they know he can't win in a general election. who are they left with? kelly ward. it's an interesting context. >> you have interesting circumstances in arizona. this is home to two senators, two republican senators, relatively moderate and willing to challenge this president. mccain passed away and flake is leaving. they...