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Michelle obama. she didn't do it in 2008 for a lot of other reaches. but what michelle obama did in 2008 was to take her magic wand and tap barack obama for black people. i was doing radio back then. a lot of african-americans didn't think he was authentic. name is barack obama. black people see people with unusual names but he had everything against him. not really chicago, really hawaii and an exotic figure and i know i was doing a show that had a mostly black audience who were more for hillary than barack obama. then michelle came along, tapped him with her magic and he seemed instantly aut...

Followers, rather than who's going to help he and his family? can we talk about the real issues? >> the fact that david duke and the alt right have flocked to donald trump and that republican leaders -- >> and this makes a difference in the average voters' lives how? can't say. >> failed to step up and consistently denounced the fact that donald trump, this is -- >> he has denounced david duke dozens of times. >> he appeals to these people. the dog whistling never stops from donald trump to these people. and the fact of the matter is this is a guy -- >> so being against illegal immigration is ...

Discourse has become, rick. >> this is a guy who is feeding these people with a nod and a wink every single day, a guy who constantly denigrates women, muslims, minor toy ities in a hf different ways. i'm not saying every person who supports donald trump is a racist, that's absurd. every racist you turn over -- every time you turn over a rock and find a racist, they have a red maga hat on. there is not a -- there's not a coincidence here. >> let me ask you this about how folks are feeling inside the campaign. he watches a lot of tv, donald trump. notice that? he watches a lot of cable news. >>...

It's anybody's race right now. >> rick, do you think -- how much does what happens on election day matter to the validity of that statement about we own the future of the republican party? which is to say if donald trump wins, obviously, that's one scenario, if he outperformed mitt romney or underperforms john mccain, does that -- does the range of options here matter in terms of what ends up happening to the republican party? >> you know, i don't think it does, chris, because donald trump's brand is so deeply offensive to so many americans that i think that, look, republicans ran campaigns ag...

Look at paul ryan's favorability numbers across the country. that conservatism is dead. it's now the trumpian style of conservative. thank the lord. >> rick, i'll let you respond. two little things, one, the tax cut plan put forward by donald trump is actually more skewed to the rich than -- >> no, it isn't. >> -- george w. bush. >> it is. but, and the second thing is -- >> yes, it is. >> i just want to distinguish between two claim, right, which is if you're a trump supporter you're there for a racist or white supremacist which i would never say and don't think rick would say. the people out ...