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Medicare would replace obamacare. here you are back in 2016. i want to play it because i want to give you a chance to explain how you came to change your mind. here you are. >> thinking big is how we got the affordable health care act. and thinking big is how we will build on that. when we talk about a medicare for all single payer system, we're not talking about doing away with obamacare. we are talking about building on its enormous success. >> so now joe biden said it would get rid of obamacare. >> i unequivocally reject what is being set up here. let me be really clear for a second. in 201...

Da -- "the art of the deal." we all know donald trump didn't actually write this book, but maybe he needs to go back and read it for some tips on how to get out of this mess of his own making. so as a public service, let me just read a few excerpts for you, okay? page 46, i like thinking big. i always have. to me, it's very simple. if you're not going to be thinking anyway, you might as well think big -- if you're going to be thinking anyway, you might as well think big. now, that one he seems to be following right there, okay? but this next one, okay, not so much. this is on page 48 of "the a...

Read it for some tips on how to get out of this mess of his own making. so as a public service, let me just read a few excerpts for you, okay? page 46, i like thinking big. i always have. to me, it's very simple. if you're not going to be thinking anyway, you might as well think big -- if you're going to be thinking anyway, you might as well think big. now, that one he seems to be following right there, okay? but this next one, okay, not so much. this is on page 48 of "the art of the deal." page 48. i always go into a deal anticipating the worst. if you plan for the worst, if you can live with...

Two million people. that was rubber. that guy was steel. that guy was a doctor. this was what made america. the road started here. the automobile. frozen peas started here. credit on a mass scale started here. >> anthony: what was this like just before this or 20 years before. >> charlie: it was insane. and this is when it was like twice as many people here. this is the consequence because all the whites went. they took their money. they took their factories. the black middle class maintained for a while, and then it got too rough for them. so there's little pockets of feral hippies and older ...

With us. cat, you started your company 20 years ago. gro grown tremendously. what's one thing you've learned along the way? >> think big. make your 20-year plan right when you begin. keep reinventing. when i started, i was by myself. i personally didn't name my company cat -- how do i have a global brand. thinking big. that's why i those the name ivy wise, to think of my market behind my own borders. >> how do you do it today? it's hard to think of a two-year plan, let alone a 20-year plan. >> i think you have to think of what you want to grow into, what you aspire to do, and keep up with the ...