With us. cat, you started your company 20 years ago. gro grown tremendously. what's one thing you've learned along the way? >> think big. make your 20-year plan right when you begin. keep reinventing. when i started, i was by myself. i personally didn't name my company cat -- how do i have a global brand. thinking big. that's why i those the name ivy wise, to think of my market behind my own borders. >> how do you do it today? it's hard to think of a two-year plan, let alone a 20-year plan. >> i think you have to think of what you want to grow into, what you aspire to do, and keep up with the ...