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The going to go into an interview with fbi agents. you're going to bleed the fifth. if you are known to be the target of a criminal investigation. so, i think part of this is the chess of getting trump into an interview, is, yes, mr. president, you're just a subject, you're not a target, don't worry. >> do you think this is all going to center around maybe the biggest point here in this investigation will be obstruction of justice? because also in this report tonight from "the washington post," mueller's team has told trump's attorneys over recent months that they are seeking to learn more abo...

Democrats. i think he's had nancy pelosi and senator schumer over at the white house quite a bit. >> thinking of, for example, when he talked about perhaps having the immigration deal on the table and then democrats felt like he yanked him out from under that basically, when push came to shove. given that past president, do you think the democrats can trust the president? >> well, what he did with daca, he said that he was going to stop the executive branch sponsoring of daca and giving congress the opportunity to do what its job is, to pass the comprehensive immigration reform. >> so on daca,...

And we need to be clear about what's unacceptable behavior. >> the ethics -- investigation can go on with a sitting senator. we have a separate problem. that is with roy moore who is not a senator. and i've spoke ton a number of senators over the last few days. republican and democrat, who don't know what the remedy is for that situation. have you given any thought to that? >> well, certainly you can't hear these stories without thinking of, you know, the -- the courage it took those women to stand forward, and i think the -- the big -- issue i have is listening to roy moore -- refuse to ackno...

Gates because they've got a case against them. you look at papadopoulos, they make the case, as you point out, that he's been proactive. what does that mean? that he's been talking to them for months. and so anybody else who might be thinking of, well, maybe i'm not going to cooperate, maybe i'm going to lie, not turn over documents, you have to look at this and be a little afraid. >> look, listen, no knock warrant on paul manafort, 6:00 in his underwear, right. pick his lock, go into his house. $10 million bond. that was the bond that bernie madoff had, right. a guy here, a young campaign sta...

Those are the people we should be thinking of. as always, bill kohn, thank you very much. coming up, first step. senate republicans tapping the budget. could tax cuts be next? you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. stay with us.