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Back to back you run the risk, if you put in fairfax you have a governor succeeding himself can finish out northam's term and run again. when i lived down, we dealt with this before. remember when george allen hand, so virginia has been through this, and it's really embarrassing to go through it again. northam should do the right thing and step aside. >> jonathan, one of the things that is in the ether and atmosphere as we talk about this is charlottesville, which was so jarring for the entire country. i want to play ralph northam talking about the white nationalist riot that happened in charl...

Brown, whatever, as to the contributions of african-americans in history. my son is a baseball player and all i've ever taught him about was hank aaron and jackie robinson. we celebrated jackie robinson's 100 birthday. for a child to know the legacy of jackie robinson and think he gave his life and body to end this and then see in 2e9 019 to know nothing has changed and it's the same thing. >> i have to tell you, people's whose hearts were broken in florida and georgia saw candidates run openly suppressing the votes of african-americans, making it deliberately hard for black people to vote and...

Lot of other things happening here. they do a robert e. lee day, the friday before martin luther king, jr. day in the same state in virginia that the lieutenant governor justin fairfax actually in protest sat out of. he's supposed to lead the senate. he refused to take part in it. charlottesville happen which was over whether or not to leave up statutes of robert e. lee, the still pining for the confederacy is happening, an the outfit that is practicing this kind of revenge kind of politics, right, we'll find dirt on you and et cetera. is connected to roy moore who had a racial history and obv...

Was a birther and won and there is a challenge that is bigger than northam? >> oh, you're absolutely right. the only thing i would add is in order to take on those challenges the party with the most diverse base has to step out in front. >> right. >> take the moral authority and show that we will not tolerate -- we can't call trump out on charlottesville if they're able to do the both sides -- >> we're expecting ralph northam to speak. we thought he was going to speak already. we'll keep waiting for it and won't let any of these people go too far away because we me a need you back. mark thomps...

How does that race go? pure toss up. then you get to the 5th district, which is charlottesville, but it's also rural south side virginia. it's an open seat. it's a generic ballot test between a republican who, by the way, is a big foot enthusiast, and a democrat who -- >> he believes in big foot. >> i can't unsee some of the pictures that were part of his book. the democrat is also very progressive, former investigative journalist, happens to be olivia wild's mom. she's winning, watch out. >> let's talk about the democratic party. andrea mitchell and the friction that may be to come over nancy...