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50r 50, 60, 70, or 100 or would you be concerned it would make republicans look obstructionist and let it go through and campaign against it. >> american people are fed up with the process. the american don't like the bill, the majority don't. 60-40. big government, that's in the bill. it's not a government takeover as people say but there's big government in the bill. number two is the cost of the bill. there's nothing in there that can happen this week that's going to affect the cost itself. it's a trillion, $2 trillion bill. the big things are not going to be paid for by the time we have to...

The american people. also, the independence. you've seen the polls. the independents out there will really swing -- have swung way over in not liking this bill. as long as those poll numbers show that, that's where the election is going to be won. >> explain what this week is going to look like in the u.s. senate. what is the minority party, the republicans in this case -- what can they do not to just gum up the process. that's going to be one level of what happens here in these parliamentary fights. but is there some substance that they can get done this week on what we're going to see? >> yo...

Process, the fact reconciliation used, something they don't think should be done, is a bad process. that will play out with these 75 amendments voting every 15 minutes, people scratching their heads, saying why does this have to be jammed through if it's a good bill. after that it will be signed and we'll move on. >> the first hospitals, i know your brother was in the hospital industry. at some point during the debate it became the insurance company versus hospitals. who is making out better here, insurance companies or hospitals? >> i think hospitals will make out better in the bill. you know...

Activity in the state legislatures, state capitols. attorneys general will look at it more -- >> is this going to be the bigger political fight short term, which is beating back -- because there seems to be a group of about 12 or 13 state -- republican state attorneys general that are conservative activists and they'll file these suits. they've been doing it left and right all over the place -- virginia, south carolina, florida. there's a whole group of them that do this. is this what we'll see? >> certainly in virginia we'll see it's going to happen as soon as this takes effect. we'll have to...

The problem with that, you can't debate the amendments, therefore it's not going to have much traction with the american people. if you put tort reform in as the amendment you don't have any time to talk about it. you're just going to vote up or down. now, what the parliamentarian can do because reconciliation has certain rules -- you limit debate to 20 hours. but you can only put in this al put in this reconciliation package things that have physical or money or taxes or spending implications. so you could start stripping out policy, but that's kind of the good stuff, the preexisting illness,...