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Than me. it's bigger than any one person if you do it the right way. i tried to change conversation in this race. i tried to force a conversation in this race. a conversation about the real thing that's going on here. i stood on those debate stages, every one of them, the pundits in the media and the professional politicians who work for other campaigns said i wasn't going to make any of them, right. before every debate, christie won't make this one, won't make this one. i made every one of them. but when i stood on there, i watched the other candidates arguing with each other as if the race w...

Penalty. it's a big deal. we're going to be looking a long time out because it's going to go up to appeals. that's the reality for him and that is why he's so angry. there is so much at stake for him and for his children. it's their inheritance. and his ability to do business in new york. it's not just the financial penalty. it's a huge deal for him. >> given all of that context from sue, trump's finances, they've been a so-called red line for him, going back to robert mueller's investigation. if they have a profound effect on trump's finances, are you worried about retribution should he win i...

Financial resources and to give him and others incentive to stop lying about e. jean carroll. >> and that brings us to the ultimate question. does any of this get him to stop? >> that is the question. because one of the problems that animates this lawsuit is that immediately after trump suffered the first $5 million judgment against him. he went on a cnn town hall the following night, repeated the comments and so now as lisa points out, robbie kaplan who is e. jean carroll's lawyer, will be able to go to this jury and say $5 million was not enough to keep him from doing it again and she will b...

Because a jury already did that. there should be no space for trump to raise his denials of the sexual abuse claim. the only question is, how much will his words cost him. is that the long and short of it and how is that answer reached? >> first of all, that is the long and short of it. as harry and joyce both know well. when two parties are engaged in a prior litigation together, they can be stopped from making contrary arguments to the verdict that was reached. so with respect to the damages, there are two types of damages, one is compensatory damages meant to compensate e. jean carroll for ...

Source of denial for a political movement? well it is not the earnestly believe it didn't happen. they're using holocaust denial for a reason. as part of a political project. and that is what i got into in the 40s, and that is how i found my defendants. and that is how i learned that they all got put on trial, and they all got off when the judge died. and i thought, you know, i was gonna tell a different story, i think i'm gonna tell this one. because i didn't know any of it. >> there is -- you trace in the book different strands of pro fascist, antisemitic, nazi aligned fought and actors in t...