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Rate, the murder rate, things go up precipitously and when they drop precipitously, rather, we see that things start to rise and rise and rise, so we're looking at 100% increase in plaquemines parish in people that are committing suicide. this dropped precipitously right after hurricane katrina, and things were very, very calm, but now it's getting worse and worse and worse. so like you said, it's very cumulative. >> what happens if or when they contain the spill or cap it? does it mean at least the end of the worsening of the collective health problems of the area? >> well, absolutely not. we...

Drilling in this high-risk, high-pressure reservoir situation without that. so i don't know. it's -- it would be gross negligence on behalf of the federal government to permit that risky behavior to continue right now. >> did you say you've been hearing more accurate figures in terms of flow? >> i had heard 2.5 million gallons a day was the more accurate figure, so that's a little bit above the 60,000 barrel upper limit. that would mean, if it is 2.5 million gallons a day since april 20th or 22nd, that would be close to 200 million gallons that has already gone out into the gulf. so. >> goodne...

Leaks, clearing the way for the relief well, now less than 40 feet away, to intercept and begin pumping in drilling mud and cement to cork the well entirely. the fears? that the stacking cap, which at one point seemed to be leaning, or weaker apparatus beneath it crumples or blows or that the oil is simply squeezed up through the sea bed instead of through the well. and while the white house today announced president obama will soon return to the gulf, louisiana governor bobby jindal, republican, saw his pet project for saving the gulf drift away like so many sand castles. pictures allegedly t...

I met with in gulfport a couple days ago, very strong reservations about dispersants, thinks it hides the oil, puts it into the water column, and makes it unavoidable for the fish. that was our experience up in prince william sound with the exxon valdez. i guess one of the major questions i had about dispersants is that we had the argument about toxicity after the spill and it strikes me that that's something that we might have expected to have tested and been a little clearer on before it was necessitated to make a decision to use it. >> in terms of epa's role but prior to the event, epa eval...