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Told a colleague hof of mine maybe was this consider to be some kind of ace thing hole by the pro kavanaugh forces? >> it's not at all crazy theory. it's a major pr firm. back toin 2004 election and she tweeted people needed to watch his coming days. >> why would he sign post wailen's tweet? i don't want to sound like a conspiracy nut myself. i don't know anything on the inside. but i can tell you based on someone with the way things work withing d.c. this stinks.

David brock joins me now. he now has an nbc news think piece predicting that kavanaugh's accuser should unfortunately expect the anita hill treatment from republicans. that is a perfect segue to the fact that she seems intent on avoiding precisely that. >> yes. well, that's what she's learned a lesson, clearly. and there have been warnings and i issued a warning myself. because what she will face is a full scale smear campaign. people have to understand the mind-set of these people. i knew brett kavanaugh. i knew orrin hatch. horn hatch helped me with the real anita hill. >> he did? >> yes. th...

Well, that's what she's learned a lesson, clearly. and there have been warnings and i issued a warning myself. because what she will face is a full scale smear campaign. people have to understand the mind-set of these people. i knew brett kavanaugh. i knew orrin hatch. horn hatch helped me with the real anita hill. >> he did? >> yes. there's a voluminous fbi file on anita hill, by the way, they did do an investigation, and they should do one now. the point about the mind-set, one, win at all costs because they have to cement this conservative majority for a generation. and two, it's okay to li...

Children screaming and someone mocking them in the background, and then other images where children are being held in cages? the president needs to pick up the phone and stop this immediately, but the president, if he's not going to do that, he should have the courage and the heart to go and visit these children, these babies. maybe hold one in his arms and maybe it'll fix something in him, but there's no reason the president can't stop this immediately. >> i want to play you what we've just heard from a couple of high profile republicans. senators lindsey graham and orn hatch. i want to get y...

1950s era kind of talk. >> joining the talk, senator orn hatch discussed a program that congress allowed to expire. >> nobody believes more in the chip program than i. i invented it. i was the one who wrote it. chip is having trouble because we don't have any money anymore. i have a rough time wanting to spend billions and trillions of dollars to help people who won't help themselves. they won't lift a finger and expect the federal government to do everything. and unfortunately, the liberal philosophy has created millions of people that way who believe everything they are or ever hoped to be d...