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The matter said. cnn political analyst and "washington post" white house reporter josh dawsey shares a byline and joins us by phone. tell us more about what you've learned, what the president asked the attorney general to do. >> in the immediate aftermath of a transcript being released on september 25th, anderson, the president was looking for key defenders to go out and say the president did nothing wrong, the president broke no law, the president behaved properly. as you've seen repeatedly, he said this was a, quote, unquote, perfect phone call. one of the things he wanted was the attorney g...

Counsel opinion, there may be two of them. they are as mr. barr said today quite old, they have never been litigated. and in my view, the better view of the law is the president can be indicted. >> i'm curious -- president trump has made very clear his opinion on jeff sessions even though he was executing judges very effectively. if the president thought barr was a patsy or he was just going to go along, that's not the impression a lot of observers got today. why do you think the president picked barr sph. >> well, i think one view is that he gave a signal in that memo that he wrote that the p...

Have obstructed because he fired comey that's not clear cut enough in barr's mind to remove a sitting president who was duly elected. that's what he's really speaking about if it's ill conceived. so it's a fairly narrow if you look at it and drill down on it, it's fairly narrow. you need a strong hand of the department of justice. whether the president knows what he's getting, i think what -- gloria said he went in there, he's like what do you think of mueller. mueller's a straight shooter, and should be dealt with that way. he told the president they're friends, the barrs and the muellers are...

There is an office of legal counsel opinion. there may be two of them. they are as mr. barr said today quite old. they have never been litigated. and in my view, the better view of the law is the president can be indicted. >> i'm curious -- president trump has made very clear his opinion on jeff sessions even though jeff sessions was a guy who was executing his policy on judges very effectively. for obvious reasons the president's very upset with him. why do you think the president has gone for william barr? because a lot of the commentary today was, well, if the president thought barr is a pa...

Misconceived. democrats pushed back a lot on this. barr seemed to say, you know, this was not an audition for a job. >> right. he said that was ludicrous, and of course it wasn't. by the way, he not only sent it to folks at the justice department but he also sent it to the president's lawyers. the raskins and jay sekulow. and even if he didn't give them the piece of paper he certainly discussed with them what was in it. and i think the president knew. and you know, he recalled today that the president actually at one point had tried to hire him as his personal counsel, they had a meeting, and ...