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We are staying at a hotel nearby fortunately. and so at that point rather than try to find each other in the crowd, which would be next to impossible, we were able to connect on the phone. jenna: rick, describe to us the scene once you both figure out where you're going to go, just describe to us the scene on the streets. >> you would be surprised how well the crowd behaved. everybody when they saw the flash of the second explosion knew what was going on. and people were moving deliberately, but not week leslie off of boylston street -- recklessly off of boylston street. it was well ordered. t...

Thr-g on behalf of the american people, and so i think holder needs to look in the mirror to find the political culprit. he's got to make the decision. bill: i appreciate the fact that you were just down to gitmo, that really helps us get an understanding for what's happening down there and certainly with your expertise. do you have a date when that will happen? >> no. i don't even think holder has a date because they don't want to dispeurt their left, their voters. bill: does that mean december, after midterms? >> if they were doing the right thing, it would be today, if they're playing polit...